I am
writing an essay
on "Marx and Weber, the comparisons and contrasts
relating to class and
stratification. (writes
George)
Hi George,
Sorry to have taken so long
to get
back to you -- the day job keeps me busy. I'm
glad someone still gets people
to read Weber -- I've had lots of requests for
help comparing Marx and
functionalism!!. In general, books which discuss
this well is Giddens ('Sociology')
or Ritzer. There are also several good sociology
sites like Sociosite
(on my external links
page).
I am a bit rusty on this
myself,
but I can outline the basics. Hope it helps.
Marx's work on social class
can be
developed from my file on
Marx on surplus value. The systematic and
structured
exploitation of labour power in capitalism
generates two fundamental classes
(bourgeoisie and proletariat).One owns the means
of production, while the
other owns nothing but labour. Since they differ
about who has the right
to the surplus value that is generated in
capitalist production, there
is an in-built class struggle between them.The
bourgeoisie enlist the aid
of political, religious, educational and other
ideological systems to persuade, fool, cajole
and bluff the proletariat
into accepting that the system is 'good' ,
'natural', the result of 'evolution'
etc.
OK so that's the usual model
found
in Marxism, and Weber is usually brought in to
explain more of the complexity
of actual stratification systems, which
typically do not take on this polarised
fundamental form. Weber agrees that there are
classes in capitalism, but
sees them as arising whenever any one group
tries to gain an advantage
in a (labour) market. These markets are
dominated by the stronger groups
who therefore gain more income, wealth and 'life
chances'. Clearly, there
needs be more than one market (e.g. markets for
unskilled AND for skilled
labour, different regional markets in towns and
cities and so on) and more
than one way to dominate it (collective force as
in trades unionism, or
more individualistic strategies like
credentialism) -- hence different
sorts of class and class systems. Added to
that, there are other
dimensions of stratification in Weber's model --
one based on 'life styles' (or status),
which may be quite different from class systems
( e.g. particular occupations
might have traditional status regardless of
their levels of income or wealth
-- twenty years ago I'd have said teachers are
one of these!). Finally,
there are independent systems of political power
too, where groups known
generally as 'parties' ( which might include
pressure groups or informal
lobbying outfits like consumer protest
movements) struggle for power to
influence legislation or to control and limit
markets etc.
That summarises the usual
initial
debate, and Weber usually emerges as the better
theorist, because he can
explain more of the complexities of modern
stratification, while Marx is
seen as too keen to reduce everything down to
one fundamental model based
on his own (questionable) analysis of capitalism
as exploitation. I don't
know how far advanced you are in your studies of
Sociology yet, but you
might want to stop right there at this initial
level.
You can go on to another
level of
debate though if you want. This might proceed by
looking at Marx's other
models of social class. The polarised one stems
from his quick and revolutionary
'Manifesto' of 1848,when things were looking
pretty polarised across Europe.
When he comes to analyse actual societies after
this revolutionary moment,
he offers a more complex
analysis.The France of Louis Napoleon
(Napoleon III) (1851--1870) looked more complex,
for example. There were
still remnants of old classes around -- peasants
and aristocracy, and the
capitalist class was pretty fragmented (eg. into
old aristocratic capitalist
producers, and representatives of the new
upstart types, based in finance).
In fact there were seven classes in all ( if I
remember rightly -- you
should really check). They all had a political
significance in the France
of Napoleon III, who was skilful in managing
alliances between these groups
in order to keep himself in power -- he appealed
to the peasants who had
liked his great-uncle (the real Napoleon) AND
the industrial bourgeoisie
(who saw him as a moderniser). Similarly, it
would be wrong to see Nap
III as simply a representative of the capitalist
class because he sometimes
opposed them too (although only to modernise the
whole system, says Marx).
You can access the real
works by Marx very conveniently these days in
the online Marx
and Engels Internet Archive. It has a
superb search engine so you can look up
individual terms (which is perhaps the best way
to get into some of it). There are several Weber
sites too.
Other discussions in later
Marx refer
to other social classes (or to important social
divisions within them)
too. He was aware of the growing emergence of a
stratum of skilled labour,
including middle managers and 'superintendents'.
He also noticed the persistence
of domestic servants in Britain (inevitably --
he employed some himself!!)
These groups could be explained as arising from
specialisation in the basic
system --as it gets really productive (still
from exploitation of labour),
the surpluses can be spent on 'unproductive
labour' (which does not itself
generate surplus value directly).
So Marx isn't quite the
simple advocate
of 2 classes. You can still see him as arguing
for two fundamental classes
'beneath the surface', 'in essence' as it were
-- but he was aware that
'on the surface', a much more complex picture
can emerge. One important
and more recent exponent of this view was
Poulantzas, who saw the fundamental
economic 'level' of class society actually
producing a number of more
specific 'levels' 'above' it (specific economic,
political and ideological/cultural
levels) ( If you want to go further yo can have
a look at my file on Poulantzas here). A person's
actual surface position in stratification would
be
determined by the complex interplay of these
different specific levels
-- economic constraints might make people think
of either an 'us and them'
model of class or an 'occupational' one,
political constraints might make
people think of themselves as on some sort of
'ladder' of opportunity,
while ideological/cultural factors might suggest
a notion of 'community',
'white people' or whatever.
NB When Giddens was a
marxist, he
developed a powerful model of class relations as
shaped by combinations
of 'mediate' (eg social mobility chances) and
'proximate' (eg work situation)
'structuration factors'
Turning to Weber, we can
complicate
him a bit too. He also talked of more
fundamental trends in stratification,
with systems varying from predominantly
class-based to predominantly status-based,
depending on the state of the economy (roughly,
affluence leads to more
of a concern with status). He may or may not
have seen the long-term trend
towards a 'rational' system of stratification --
one based on 'ladders'
of merit or expertise.
Some more recent Weberians
have also
interpreted his work as leading to the
importance of local and widespread
conflicts and contests between groups (hence
'conflict theory'). Others
have pointed to the significance of the
processes of closing off opportunities
in markets as central to the whole thing -- and
have developed a 'class
closure' approach, looking at typical
ways in which groups are able to
'close off' or monopolise chances in their
occupations and lives (unions
or credentials, as above). A summary of the main
approaches can be found in my file on Murphy's
work here
So -- the battle still rages on
this
complex level. Marxists say Weber is naive in not
recognising that the
whole surface thing still rests on capitalism
which gives it its whole
point (eg the rationality that so interested Weber
is still capitalist
rationality -- ie irrationality for Marxists!!).
Weberians like Turner
have argued that the only way marxism has retained
any credibility is by
smuggling in the best bits of Weber -- so
Poulantzas's sophisticated model
actually looks pretty much like Weber's one
of class, status and party (economic
level = class, political level = party,
ideolgical/cultural = status).
If and when you want to, have a look at my notes
on some more theorists here
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