Notes on:
Stivale, C. 'Pragmatic/Machinic: Discussion with
Felix Guattari' , 19 March, 1985. Online:
http://topologicalmedialab.net/xinwei/classes/readings/Guattari/Pragmatic-Machinic_chat.html
Dave Harris
CS: Why has your name often been replaced in the
collective works with Deleuze? Is it just
the situation you mentioned where a proper name
becomes a common noun? [Presumably, as with
a 'signed concept'? The reference is to
Molecular Revolution, which might be this tome]
FG: Some people think that I have distorted
Deleuze by introducing political and analytic
issues, and obliterating my name is a way of
denying my existence, as political malice.
It is also the case that the name has become a
common noun referring to all those who contribute
to 'Deleuze-thought'. Foucault's phrase
about this century being Deleuzian was partly
humorous, but it could also mean that a
characteristic assemblage of theoretical activity
will dominate, including its relation to
'university institutions and power institutions'.
[Then a bit about how he has now fallen out with
the people who run the College International de
Philosophie, because they were conventional in
terms of philosophy and wanting to work in
university institutions. Guattari wanted
develop new forms of collective and
interdisciplinary reflection, with some
applications to urbanism, education and
psychiatry. The people who ran the College
were too territorialized and centralised,
however].
CS: Are there molecular revolutions taking place
in Europe?
FG: Molecular revolutions address the 'becomings
of subjectivity'. It does relate to the
culture of the sixty's. It looks as if
everything is now returned to order conservatism,
but the movement still continues. 1968 was
an awakening, and much has occurred afterwards,
such as the women's movement, the struggles for
liberation in Brazil. In France, the issues
develop around migrant culture and the
consequences for subjectivity. There are
reactionary developments, but another
sensitivities developing with young people,
'another relationship with the body, particularly
in dance and music'. There are also green
and pacifist movements. Can all these
movements be joined together without
incoherence? We have to remember that
molecular revolutions do not constitute the
programme, but develop towards diversity, 'a
multiplicity of perspectives'. The point is
to create 'the conditions for the maximum
impotence of processes of singularization'.
It is not a matter of agreement or consensus, we
have to retain a vital field, and see movements as
'different branches of this phylum of molecular
revolution'. There is a break with
arborescent logic in conventional movements.
Theoretical and practical questions remain,
however. Theoretically, the point is to
explain the correspondences between diverse
movements, their 'elective affinities', and we
need new analysis and concepts here to grasp
transversality, 'the crossing of abstract machines
that constitute a subjectivity and thus are
incarnated… In very different regions and
domains', and can even be antagonistic.
Practically, we need new forms of practice and
intervention, at the molar level in order to avoid
things like the repression of autonomism in Italy,
partly the results of the link between terrorism
and stake repression, or complicity. We have
to respect diversity and particularities, while
building 'antagonistic machines have struggled to
intervene in power relations'. We are only
at the beginning, we are experimenting, but this
is not just a dream or formula. The German
greens are closest to the model: they are in touch
with daily life, but also concerned with the
environment and peace: they can develop relations
with conventional parties; they can intervene in
the third world or elsewhere in Europe. They
are not just a central apparatus...The greens work
with all strata , including artistic and
philosophical strata.
CS: What about current French politics under
Mitterand? You criticised the socialists for
not criticising existing institutions, and for
attempting to cope with contradictory tendencies
in the party by developing modern management
techniques, pretty much indistinguishable from
those of Reagan?
FG: There is a methodological resemblance.
There seems to be only one possible political and
economic approach. However, world capitalism
now does dominate all productive and social
activity, worldwide. The eastern state
countries have been incorporated, and third world
capitalism occupies a peripheral place.
However, the logic of markets and of 'economic
semiotizations'are identical. The old
oppositions between imperialist and colonise
countries have disappeared: imperialism is now a
multi centred. Some specific differences do
persist, though, for example Japanese capitalism
is different. The main objective for
capitalism now is not again immediate profit, but
to integrate systems, to 'capture subjectivities
from within'. This is done by producing a
standard subjectivity, developing those 'semiotic
chains' which represents the world to us, which
develops 'forms of sensitivity, the forms of
curriculum, of education, of evolution', tailored
to different age groups and different
categories. The process is like putting
computer chips in cars. Yet this subjectivity can
be differentiated according to the requirements of
production, and in order to accommodate itself
with other divisions, like those between the races
or the sexes. Differentiation is better at
reproducing power and bringing on board existing
elites which may be capitalistic but also
traditional.
This can be seen as a double movement of
deterritorialization and reterritorialization,
stripping away all but the basic dimensions of
subjectivity when it comes to production, but
reintroducing aspects than a sign people to their
place and control them 'to block their
circulation, their flows'. This is how we
are to understand measures ranging from
unemployment to racism. Religious guilt was
once useful, but that didn't work very well 'which
explains the collapse of theories like
psychoanalysis' [?]. It's no more
systematic, to establish 'systemic poles' to
distribute functions and 'systematic endangering',
including fear of imminent unemployment, and the
lack of guarantees.
So what should a socialist government do? At
the moment, the French government thinks it can
change everything, from television to
relationships with immigrants. However, it
is being continually bureaucratized and
hierarchized. There is no new production of
subjectivity, so nothing can be done. Look
at the public outrage caused when Jack Lang
criticised U.S. cinema.
CS: You said the issue was to assemble new
collective modes of enunciation—which ones did you
foresee?
FG: We organized the free radio movement 1977 to
81. About 100 new stations were developed,
and we wanted to offer a new mode of expression,
unlike what happened in Italy. The
socialists initially supported us but then
infiltrated and the movement collapsed.
Private capitalists and large newspapers also
killed them. They would have done better
under a right wing government! There are
other 'pedagogical and educational renovations',
but these are also under threat. They
included an experimental high school run by
Gabriel Cohn-Bendit. The Mitterrand
government was very conservative thing cultural
terms. The legal campaign against
alternative psychiatry was launched. So
there were some new practices and assemblages, but
these were all 'systematically crushed': the
socialists 'didn't realise what they were doing,
that's the worst part!'
... Intellectual failures are even more
spectacular, with the development of new
philosophy, postmodernism and the rest, especially
the notion of social implosion. All these
discouraged political commitment.
The socialists were not responsible for
that. But there has been a decline, for
example of French cinema compared to German
cinema. Again, assemblages of enunciations
remained traditional, as they did in publishing or
in classical productions of art.
CS: What happened to [the journal] Change
International?
FG: It was supportive at first, but it lacked the
resources. It is still producing, but it is
not developed as hoped. Socialists supported
alternative journals.
CS: A critic [Grisoni] has argued that Thousand
Plateaus shows that [politicised?] desire has
disappeared and Deleuze dried up. What
remains of see the schizoanalytic
enterprise? Which of the two volumes seem to
be most valid?
FG: 'They're not valid at all! Me, I don't
know, I don't care! It's not my
problem! It's however you want it, whatever
use you want to make of it. Right now, I'm
working'[on some directions for
schizoanalysis]… If people don't care about
it, that's their business; but I don't care
either, so that works out well. Single quote
CS: Deleuze said exactly the same yesterday—people
don't care about my work because I don't care
about theirs either [ooh! Touchy]...
We discussed a book by Aron, and he likes
Anti-Oedipus. He did raise the issue about
the place of Lacan though. You do not
particularly argue for a rupture with Lacan.
FG: We vary in what we say in both AO and
TP. Deleuze never took Lacan seriously, but
I decided to try and clarify the work
instead. It was an event for me to meet him,
and his seminar was rich and inventive by
comparison with the others. Lacan had guts,
and a sense of freedom. He had a dadaist
sense of humour, which was occasionally cruel and
harsh. Deleuze did not have to break into
freedom in this way, because he never followed any
one. I needed a model, because although
leftwing, I was still traditionalist in many ways,
for example admiring Sartre on Marxism.
Lacan helped me break. His reading of Freud
opened possibilities for me, although it was a
reading 'entirely in bad faith'.
As examples, all the work on the signifier breaks
with Freud, whose categories are actually closer
to schizoanalysis, as a kind of delirious
development, as with the work on dreams or
phobias. There is a sense of theatre, myth,
which is opposed to structuralist and mathematical
systems. There is also a difference in that
Freud and his contemporaries wrote monographies
[about actual cases], whereas the Lacanians engage
in textual exegesis, meta meta theorizing.
The cases are given too much autonomy, in a
process that could be considered as 'the
modeization of subjectivity'. This is often
what happens with apostles. Exegesis buries
the original Freudian impulse to relate to
patients, which is 'nearly incestuous', and this
has been domesticated.
CS: What do you make of Foucault and his
work? Deleuze said that Foucault at least
managed to stop 'imbeciles from speaking too
loudly', and now that he's dead, 'the imbeciles
will be unleashed'.
FG: 'I was never influenced by Foucault's
work'. Foucault did have an authority and
impact [and might have checked some right wing
machinations].WE
CS: What about Americanization? There is
even a French version of Dallas. ['It's not bad
either'FG adds] Sometimes you seem to
romanticise America [especially in Rhizome, now
the first chapter of TP]—home of nomadism,
displacement, deterritorialization [and various
authors like Burroughs and Ginsberg, FG
adds]. The American culture has penetrated
even France, 'the plastification, the fast Food
Restaurants' [Youth have also adopted slang and
American rock, FG adds]. So how do the two
concepts of America relate?
FG: That's complicated. I don't know America
that well. We have never been too
romantic. Americans are too pragmatic,
sometimes dumb, no cultural background, or rather
functionalist. That has helped us 'pass into
this a-signifying register' [develop computer
language?], leading to a fabulous creation in
technical-scientific areas. The Americans
are like that, 'they don't look for
complications'. I met an American once, and
we discussed the liquidation of the big
psychiatric hospitals. He gave a
presentation with lots of charts and diagrams, but
had to admit that the programme had not worked and
he wanted to do something else. This is 'the
marvelous a-signifying freedom', where you can go
on to something else. It might be this that
characterises American invasions. The
Japanese by contrast have a background of
mysticism and religiosity.
CS: You overestimated nomadism and the
universality of deterritorialization?
FG: Sartre wrote about a trip to America that
stressed the deterritorialized cities. What
this means is that instead of obstacles or
borders, there are 'lines, trains, planes,
everything crossing, everything sliding,
demographic flows sliding everywhere'.There are
also reterritorializations, shown by authors like
Miller or Faulkner. They seem to have made
themselves into a little territory, 'a body
without organs' in the middle of American
'mishmash'. Look at the diversity displayed
in shop windows—'extraordinary poetry',
accumulations of vistas.
CS: I can see what you mean about cities sliding
between city and suburb, but American cultural
invasions of other countries looks like
deterritorialization of the same kind, overcoming
boundaries invading everything.
FG: But is this not also the occasion for
reterritorializations? The Japanese can
reterritorialize on their ancient civilisations,
but Americans have to reinvent everything, such as
'creating music with just anything, like that,
with these piles of metal'. When it succeeds
its fantastic. Take the American mystery
novel—it consists of 'deterritorializing trivia',
yet at the same time creates warmth, intimacy,
suspense and subjectivity. These are not
traditional tales. The American cinema does
the same, to produce 'are more than tolerable and
comfortable subjectivity, warm, passionate,
exciting, in this pile of metal, this heap of
shit, this load of stupidities'. This is a
feat of the creation of subjectivity. Jazz
has had a similar world impact.
CS: Yes, but there is a lot of stupidity, for
example exploitation and amenities, and poor
music.
FG: Yes, 'when one hears the classical music that
people listened to in the United States, it's
overwhelming' [!] [His examples are Rachmaninoff
and Tchaikovsky!]
CS: 'I was really thinking about popular
music'. Americans reterritorialized English
popular music. Perhaps it is my fault for
not being able to see the abstract machine which
you are outlining. However, one criticism of
TP is that you have misunderstood American
nomadism, so 'the general schizoanalytic
experience' is only 'a utopic dream without any
future'.
FG: All dreams are necessarily utopic. The
America we describe is our dream, and obviously
not yours. American writers dreamed about
Europe, or Greece, and Europeans would see that as
misperceived. The point is to ask whether
the dream is useful. I saw America as a
deterritorialized contrast to Europe, especially
in the work of Miller and his vision of
Paris. Our vision of the USA is obviously
not as useful for you.
CS: I have a friend is working through your work
in terms of the sociological effects of
communication. This is more cynical, which
sees any critical thought as a mere utopic dream.
FG: But that's reactionary, a new
Restoration. Other generations will not see
it that way. There is still a 'potential
America, an America of nomadism'. There is
still radical theatre, even though they are
marginalized.
CS: But there is still a danger that your work has
been recuperated by the right, as a recent article
by Noir shows. So there is a double
reproach—some people see it as utopic, others see
it as a thought without any ideological
specificity, so that any political position can
make use of it. This arises from the
metaphor of the toolbox. You said earlier
that it doesn't matter what people do with
schizoanalysis, that they can take it or leave
it—but the European neoliberals use it. Does
that matter to you?
FG: I do not know it [scans the article].
All that has happened is that our name is being
hooked on to this argument. There is an
emerging left-right split in politics, but it's
not so clear 'on the level of thought'. Take
schooling, for example: I am in favour of free
schools, but not those run by priests. Is
this the theme of right or left? [who do you
think he's going to benefit most, you
jerk!]. The same goes for my support of the
decriminalization of drug use: someone said it was
identical to the views of Milton Friedman [Gosh!
How amusing!]. [The whole thing badly needs some
sociological analysis of actual power relations]
[Notes follow, with detailed referencing.
Note 18 says that despite when he says here,
Guattari addressed a conference in homage of
Foucault, addressing the notion of the toolbox,
where theories should be judged by the power they
have to render services in specific fields.
He intended to adopt the same approach to
Foucault, and he said no doubt Foucault would
agree.]
There seems to be another section to the
interview, or maybe another interview, with an
identical introduction
CS: Is a minor literature necessarily a form of
deterritorialization?
FG: Take Kafka's language. It is at the 'limit of
a huge aggregate' [the German language?], and he
deterritorializes, introduces a note of sobriety
in language. It is the same with
Beckett. It is an impoverished language, but
also 'an intensification of expression'. So
you could say that whenever a marginality becomes
active and develops 'word power', and develops
processual becoming, 'it engenders a singular
trajectory that is necessarily
deterritorializing', a minority subverting a
majority, a great aggregate. Marginalized
minorities can proliferate [citing Prigogine and
Stengers], amplify, shifting a totality,
detotalizing it. The progress of the German
greens from a few marginals to an active group is
another example. They rotate every two years
in defiance of parliamentary conventions, and they
have brought ecology into the mainstream,
upsetting the conventional relationships.
'And this is what I call the process of
singularization: what was ranked as being ordered,
coordinated, or referenced, no one no longer
knows: what is the face, what are they doing, what
is the reference. The system of values is
inverted.' May '68 was like that, with singular
elements that broke out from their enclosures and
turned into disruptive explorations, 'the
producing probe, precisely engendering systems of
auto-reference… producers of new types of
reference, they are themselves their own
referential, until the moment when they are
rearticulated, recoordinated'.
CS: [Evidently struggling manfully with the
bullshit]. So minor literature is an auto
production, the production of new
territories. Haven't earlier writers also
done this?
FG: Yes, we are more familiar with recent examples
though. Rousseau might qualify, Artaud
probably will in the future. It's a matter
of a nascent state really.
CS: [These questions relate to the materials
prepared by Guattari for eventual publication in
Schizoanalytic Cartography {?}. This
material seems to relate to TP]. Can you
discuss faciality and haecceity? How do they
fit rhizoanalysis, and 'to what regime of signs'
do they correspond? For example, how does
faciality relate to black holes, and haecceities
to the cartographic process?
FG: That is a big question. There are two
logics at work in speculative cartography, 'a
cardologic, i.e. the logic of discursive
aggregates, and an ordologic, the logic of bodies
without organs' in the first case, there are
discursive systems, connected aggregates that
produce a meaning effect by referring to other
meaning effects, as in double articulation.
The former logical content can articulate with
semantic content, for example, and double
articulations can then be triple. At the
same time, there are deeper structures of meaning,
'primary modules of enunciation' that are not
discursive, but correspond to an 'ordological
aggregate'. These still compose subjective
agglomerations, though but do not express
themselves as discursive differentiation.
Instead, they produce 'a phenomenon of
counter-meaning, which at one moment is the
statement, for example the dream… Which is
caught in paradigmatic coordinates, in energetic
coordinates… [while] the statement also
serves... as an enunciator'[clear as forking mud!
Maybe it means that things like dreams produce
meanings but not in conventional forms, as
pre-discursive, and they have to be decoded as
metaphors?]
Enunciation has three subdivisions when it comes
to referents, including auto-referents. One
goes towards discursivity and its logic,
cardologic, or we can analyse these without
considering 'the problematic of
enunciation'. When a statement acts as an
organiser of the enunciation, it uses different
logical norms, since the point is to agglomerate
meaning, 'to juxtapose primary enunciators', and
this follows ordologic. The statement can
work in both directions, towards discursive
aggregates and also in the direction of 'what I
call "synapses"' [and the third dimension, you
bluffer?]. The cardologic further subdivides
into material or 'signaletic' flows and machinic
phyla, but the ordologic divides into 'existential
territories' and 'a-corpor[e?]al universes'
With faciality, the face is there under the
machinic phylum, in the synapses, and they can be
situated in different paradigmatic coordinates—its
big, white or whatever, so that you can do a
content analysis. However, certain traits of
the face can be detached and made to function in
ordologic, so that the father's mustache [in
Little Hans' case] becomes the superego, or a
grimace becomes the gaze of Christ. These
function to develop a mask, a constellation or
coagulation, to become subjective
enunciators. It is like a generalised
function of the object in Lacan. This is the
object you find in dreams or delirium. It
functions in two registers, an aesthetic
unconscious and a machinic unconscious.
Haecceity, [similarly?] is a fact-like event, but
'when it emerges it has always - already been
there, it is always everywhere', like the smile of
the Cheshire cat [desperate bluffing here!].
So an event is specific, articulated as a
sign-function, but the sign has a double
importance, as 'a "point - sign" entity"',
producing 'a surplus-value of meaning that emerges
from this relationship of repetition', and also 'a
point of materialization of enunciation at the
same time', something that 'is going to catalyze
an existential constellation'. It is the
usual [!] Argument that significations have formal
functions, but also material functions, when they
act like a release mechanism, as with threshold
phenomena. The point is that semiotics does
produce release effects, when a sign passes into
act, but this is already inscribed in machines and
in release mechanisms. There is 'a semiotic
energetics'[with another reference to an upcoming
seminar on Prigogine]
CS: Translate into political terms? [Good
man! Pin the bastard down again!]
FG: The issue is that we can ask what statements,
images, or faces escape from our discourse, and
become existential, crystallising 'an effect of
subjectivity', and not only as representation, but
as enacting. 'That's when saying is
existing', not just doing or coming into
existence. There is a particular political
use of language, where a mode of politics seems
completely 'aberrant'when it comes to meaning,
like rituals. We have to ask ourself whether
this would be compatible 'with a perspective of
desire... If it's a way to construct an
a-subjective subjectivity'[entirely speculative
theoretical and cultural politics again].
CS: What about becoming-woman? Is it still
relevant? Certain feminists do not rate it.
FG: American ones? In France too? I
didn't know this.
CS: The objection is that it seems to involve a
kind of progression—becoming-woman, becoming
animal, becoming child, becoming molecular and
then becoming imperceptible. Why does
becoming-woman come at the beginning? What
are the implications for women and their bodies?
FG: It is not a rigorous dialectic but a path away
from binary power relations, phallic relations,
'the promotion of a new kind of gentleness, a new
kind of domestic relationship', or break with the
conjugal unit. It is on the side of women
and children. It involves new values and a
new semiotics of the body and sexuality.
This passes through women, although it could pass
through becoming a homosexual.
Becoming-woman seems to be necessary if you want
to be a writer [see his commentary on Proust].
Homosexuality might offer this too, only if it
breaks with masculine power values.
Masculine binaries produce phallic power, 'surface
- depth power', affirmation, and vice versa.
Becoming-woman can still be recuperated into a new
form of masculine power, however, whereas other
forms of becoming are 'much more multivocal',
liberated from 'bi-univocity' and binaries.
Hence the other becomings. Kafka for example
explorers these intensities and sensitivities
going beyond binary alternatives, although he does
offer 'binary machinic alternatives' [instead of
the obvious Metamorphosis, Guattari cites
Blumfeld, which I have not read]. In
this sense, becoming-woman 'has no priority over
any other becoming', but is just a direction
towards another logic, machinic or existential
logic, 'no longer a reading of the pure
representation, but the composition of the world,
the production of a body without organs in the
sense that the organs there are no longer in any
relationship of surface - depth positionality, do
not postulate a totality'. In this sense,
they do not enter into [macro] relations with
other totalities are especially 'forms of
power'. These are intensive forms, exactly
like art 'that constructs coordinates of existence
at the same time as they live them'.
CS: The BWO continues to cause problems, though,
as in the relevant plateau. There you
invoked Castenada and the relation between the
'"Tonal" (the organism, significance, the subject
that is organized and organizing in/for these
elements)' and 'the "Nagual" (the whole of the
Tonal in conditions of experimentation, of flow,
of becomings, but without destruction of the
Tonal)'. But this correspondence seems
inconsistent, because you are also talk about the
general plane of consistency and its relation to
the plural bodies without organs. How do
these plural bodies relate to the general BWO?
FG: I am not going to develop a taxonomy of bodies
without organs. It is more a matter of
cartography which equates existential territory
with its representation, the map with the
territory. This means there can be no
translatability and no taxonomy. The issue
here is the production of existence. Why do
we use general terms, then? There is a
difference between a speculative cartography and
'the instruments of direct modelization, i.e. a
concrete cartography'. The speculative ones
should be 'as far away as possible' from any
concrete ones, quite unlike the activity of
science which attempts to semiotize to account for
practical experience. 'For us it's just the
opposite!' We want to move away from
concrete cartographies, including those of
Castenada or of psychotics, in order to profit
from speculative cartography. It is just
like the difference between aesthetics and the
recipes to make a work of art. The total
disconnection is necessary. Speculative
cartography is not there 'to provide an inventory
of these different modes of invention of
existence'[so why is it there? Guattari is
switching back to philosophical criteria to defend
his approach now, having used political ones
earlier!]
CS: In Molecular Revolution {which could be this volume?]
you talk about different modes of coding, and the
third one is 'a-signifying semiotics', where signs
produce directly at the level of the Real.
You chose physics as an example, but how does this
connect with what you just said about
science? [Keep at him! Presumably the
issue is that in the example above, Guattari
argues that science just models the real, whereas
before he said it actually produces it. It
all depends what you mean by science,
presumably—engineering or cosmology]
FG: The same semiotics material can function in
different registers. It can be paradigmatic,
involved in a chain of signification as in
cardologic, and also 'function in an a-signifying
register' as in ordologic. In one case, we
are talking about discursive aggregates, a logic
of representation, and in the other, participation
in 'an existential machinic, a logic of bodies
without organs'. In the latter case it's not
a matter of representation but of enunciating,
especially existential enunciation, or production
of subjectivity and new coordinates. In
cardologic there is always a referent, a Peircian
third term. In ordologic it's the same
mechanism that asserts itself on different
levels. So as well as speech acts in
enunciation, there are also science acts or art
acts. In [cosmology], there are terms that
connect with disparate events, but there are no
necessary existential referents or
denotations. Terms [in cosmology] create
their own universes of reference with their own
logic. Similarly, musicians who invent new
forms of music produce new universes and also
catalyze 'an entire series of machinic phyla for
the future of music'. Sciences is as
creative as art, although this is sometimes
underestimated in the work of people like Kuhn.
CS: I am still unclear about 'a-signifying
semiotic'
FG: There our chains of signs that are meaningful,
because they represent something. Particular
articulations can take on particular subjective
importance, but we have lost a particular
'surplus-value of power' to depict other fields of
the possible. Musicians invent new scales to
write their own music, but this also produces
other possibilities, a new musical logic with
'trees of implication [then rapidly correcting
himself] rhizomes of implication' that were
unforeseen and can even transfer to other fields
of activity. Particular articulations are in
this sense arbitrary, just as in Saussure's
arbitrary relation between signifier and
signified, and we need to get to the 'coefficients
of the possible'. If we stick to rigidly to
a particular articulation, we lose creativity,
especially transversality. As soon as we
realize this is arbitrary, we open up all sorts of
possibilities.
An example would be a particular musician
[Aperghis ], who uses gestures to create
music. In this, he is showing us how to
detach gestures, just as you might detach
'faciality out of faces'. There is
deterritorialization of scenes. If I must
talk about popular music, which are generally
reterritorializations, break dancing is an
example, helping us to see 'completely unforeseen
traits of corporality'. Chicago blues also
use 'elephantine instruments like the bass' to
produce lightness and richness. There is
also a mix by Bonzo Goes to Washington.
CS: Yes, developed from Reagan's statement on the
radio that he was ready to bomb the
Russians... [They listen. Reagan says
in a slowed-down bass voice that he's going to
bomb the Russians, then there is rhythmic music,
with lyrics made up from the various syllables in
his statement forming a song]
[Then they continue their discussion]
CS: What about the concept of war machine?
It doesn't seem to be about war as in current
usage, but as a war of resistance, including
resistance to militarism.
FG: We are not talking about the power formation
but of 'machinic, deterritorialized elements' that
are put into operation in a social situation—it
could be a military situation, but also a
scientific one or an aesthetic one. There is
even 'courtly love [as] a kind of war machine of
"woman-becomings"'. The war machine is the
'abstract, mutational name' of machinic
phyla. There is a struggle by the state or
capitalism to capture all the machines, so we are
accepting the ambiguity. There is even an
irony that the most potentially creative and
deterritorialized elements are found 'at the heart
of armies, of state machines, of oppressive
powers, just as fascism is really an example as
equally at the heart of desire'[Another dangerous
lack of ideological specificity]
CS: And what of smooth and striated space?
FG: Striated space refers to the structuring role
of energetic or spatial temporal
coordinates. It is numbered space under the
cardologic, but the numbering domain under
ordologic, so it is not just a simple space, or
rather the issue is the degree of
smoothness. So subjectivity is on a
continuum, ranging from your own to the whole
world, so it cannot be numbered and yet it still
'maintains differential relations of
intensity'[sounds like Leibniz here]. With
material signaletic flows, modules of primary
actuation are involved, and these then develop
'deep and pseudo-deep structures'. With
ordologic, we are talking instead about machinic
phyla and the way they generate modules of
surplus-values that help us produce 'a space of
coordinates of differentiation'. There is a
'total phenomenological flattening': we only know
about existence insofar as we are in 'the field of
existential, and even imperialistic,
relationships'[some Grade A bullshit here. The
machinic phyla contain the synapses, 'the points
of reversal in which the module, instead of going
in the direction of differentiation, goes from a
differentiated point towards points which are
non-differentiatable, there and there (under the
ordologic)'. There are no deep structures,
only a series of parentheses. With
existential territory it is a matter of visual
perception [and also, curiously, 'the sex']:
as Sartre says 'I had a sexual appreciation of the
charismatic leader, I exist [in?] it/him. I
can't put him in the same coordinates, it's the
same object that hands him over to me, this idea
of existential "grasping"'.
CS: Are the synapses faciality as well?
FG: No, that was only one example. They can
also be partial objects, a haecceity, a
refrain [translated here as the ritornello].
My notion of the machine was a generalization of
Lacan's petit-a notion. Similarly,
the machinic phylum refers to the double play of
the machine, located in mechanical coordinates,
but also acting as life itself 'both for most
mechanical and the most living', the source of the
fields of the possible as well as particular
existential agglomerations.
[More notes follow, many of them referencing a
range of articles in French. Note 25 says
that the term cartography is a way of breaking
with Freudian and Lacanian models of the
unconscious and their psychic agencies, in order
to minimize terms such as subjectivity,
consciousness and meaning {signifiance}.
Instead it is a matter of considering
intersections of assemblages with their own
coordinates, which can gain or lose linking
power.
Note 26 refers us to the Machinic
Unconscious where concrete cartography
is the same as 'generative schizo-analysis' aiming
at developing new machinic meanings or
directions. This is molecular politics in
action. 'Transformational schizo-analysis'
is the more general or speculative cartography,
based on analyzing the machinic nuclei that detach
assemblages and reconnect them to the whole
machinic sphere. The term synapses means
interconnections between particular positions on
the phylum that produce concrete existence, and a
more general plane of consistency of the abstract
machine: the latter is also the ordologic.
Machinic kernels or nuclei have to connect these
two dimensions, so that abstract machines can
manifest themselves, while the most concrete
machines can be [dereified and]
resemiotized. Later work abolishes the
binary distinction between cardologic and
ordologic.
Note 29 tells us that we should use the term
deterritorialization to understand what happens
with consciousness and the unconscious, when it
produces an apparently unified person or
consistent view of the world. This is 'a
founding myth of capitalist subjectivity',
ignoring the real diversified processes of coming
to consciousness, produced by diverse existential
territories which have to be deterritorialized
before they can be grasped in consciousness.
For people to become existential monads {I think
this would work just as well if we substituted the
term nomads}, our consciousness has to
deterritorialize once more so that it can develop
a discourse about its activities.
Note 31 refers to Guattari on the institutional
object '(or "object-c")'to go along with the other
part-objects, the object-a and Winnicott's
object-b. Stivali quotes Laplanche and
Pontalis {we have heard of them somewhere else—in
What is Philosophy? Logic of Sense?
} who define part-objects as 'the " type of object
towards which the component instincts are directed
without this implying that the person as a whole
is taken as love object… [They are
usually]… parts of the body, real or
fantasized… and their symbolic
equivalents"'. The transitional object in
Winnicott refers to '"a material object with a
special value for the suckling and young child,
particularly when it is on the point of falling
asleep (e.g. the corner of a blanket or napkin
when it is sucked"'. Guattari sees this as
showing the activities of a signifying machine
'"which predetermines what must be good or bad for
me and my peers in a given area of consumption"',
a form of group subjectivity which moves beyond
repeated alterity {alterity like this offers
'grids of language' which 'capture the "object -
a"'}. The object-a produces individual
phantasy which anchors desire to the surface of
the body, but Guattari's object-c offers group
phantasy, as a kind of substitute for the
fantasized others [I may not have this right -- it
is very dense], and this underpins his group
practice [about introducing and managing alterity]
and permits 'collective enunciation of group
subjectivity'. This is a prerequisite for
individual subjectivity.
Note 32 makes the link with Duns Scotus on the
haecceity as a' mode of individuation distinct
from that of a person, a thing or a
subject'. It is a whole assemblage appearing
in an individuated aggregate. It is defined
by longitude, and latitude {in the 17th century
sense, see the book on Spinoza?},
speeds and effects, 'independently of forms and
subjects which belong to another plane'. It is the
animal itself, as event rather than subject, in
localized assemblages. There are no
beginnings or ends, origins or destinations, not
points but lines -- '" It is rhizome"'{referenced
to TP}.
Note 33 on energetic semiotics starts out by
refusing to accept thermodynamic notions, and
credits Freud with the notion of semiotic
energetics.
Note 34 cites as critics of becoming-woman
Jardine's Gynesis, Massumi and the User's Guide, Grosz in Boundas and Olkowski ]
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